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to "the rachel maddow show" starting right now. >> when it rains it pours. do you believe the amount of stuff that happened tonight? >> it's so much rain it's almost mud wrestling at this point. >> seriously. with better outfits. thanks, man. i appreciate it. an incredible night of news. thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour. do you want to know what just happened tonight in washington? do you want to know what just happened, with congress just unexpectedly imploding and the republicans in congress dissolving into a huge internal fight, including screaming matches within their own caucus and all of a sudden they're just turning off the light and abandoning what they were doing and nobody really knows why and nobody knows what happens next? do you want to know how we got here and why this just happened and why it's really important? let us start here. okay? this is jim demint. jim demint was re-elected senator for south carolina not this past election, 2012, but in 2010. you might remember he was the guy who had the good fortune in 2010 to be running against a yo
's "the ed show" on this friday night. i'm ed schultz. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, ed. have a great weekend, my friend. >> i will. you too. thank you. >>> thanks to you at home for being with us on this fine friday night. do you remember the color-coded alert system we used to have? remember that? tom ridge announced the exist existence of our national color-coded be afraid alert chart about a decade ago. in march 2002 so we could tell at a glance how alert we were supposed to feel. and if you didn't feel like glancing at the be alert chart, at least at the airport they would read periodic recorded statements over the intercom telling you out loud that today's threat level was orange. the threat level was always orange at the airport no matter what else was going on in the rest of the country. we don't do that anymore. we don't do that. we got rid of the color coded chart thing last year and nobody complained. we also no longer have this. this is the google street view of one of the secret prisons we used to have in romania. "the as
in for ed schultz. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. ezra klein is filling in for rachel tonight. not django. good evening, ezra. >> good evening, michael. thank you very much. and thank you to you at home for sticking around for the next hour. rachel has a well-deserved night off. but today on the senate there was a rare sighting on the senate floor. especially around this time of year. right now the senate is usually a bit of a desolate place, but today at exactly 2:34 p.m. eastern standard time there was something big afoot. at 2:34 this afternoon in from the wings of the chamber walked the president of the senate, vice president joe biden. joe biden does not often serve in his capacity as president of the senate. but today was ditch. today joe biden had an incredibly important job to fulfill. >> do you solemnly swear to support and defend the constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that you take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that yo
for example, rachel maddow showed that she has a unique ability that has no discernible value in the marketplace. >> what was your other trick that you do? >> this one? >> can you do the arm pit farts? >> this one upsets me. >> it just looks like it hurts. >> i have always -- i have always been impressed by rachel maddow when i watch the show. and now, having tried to host the show myself, i am beyond impressed with what she can do. more like awe, now that i know what she can do, i am bowled over. it is the best new thing for today. that does it for us tonight, the special new year's eve edition with the show. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening, i'm richard wolffe in for chris matthews. at the 11th hour, just when people were starting to lose hope on the edge of the fiscal cliff the president met with leaders and said he was modestly optimistic about a deal on taxes. meeting this the red room, president obama held firm for tax cuts for families making up to $250,000 per year, and joining me on the north lawn of the white house is kristen welker. kristen, let's listen to w
rachel maddow show" starts right now. ezra cline filling in for "the rachel maddow show" tonight. >> good evening. a dreary december day turned out to be full of news today including big news out of the supreme court. and one of the coolest pictures ever having a big revooufl. but we begin with important news out of washington. for all the squabbling politicians and the whining pundits, we can announce to you tonight, right here, right now, there's a budget deal that's becoming clear. our long national nightmare might almost, and i repeat, it's washington, almost be over. this is kind of like one of those kids games where you have to look at a picture that looks like nonsense until your eyes filter out the garbage and you can finally see the sailboat. that's what's going on in washington. you have to filter out the garbage. take yesterday for example. i don't tune into c-span 2 for comedy, just because it's good television. but the senate was being hilarious about the debt ceiling, which is hard to be hilarious about. here's what happened. the white house has been pushing a plan to take c
think we don't really know here, rachel, until we hear from the administration. this is raising a question, people are going to be pressing the administration in the next couple of days to say, can you give us more specifics? is this the start of a new way of thinking and maybe new policies that will be unfolding in the next couple of months? let's say. or is this a trial balloon and you're seeing how it looks and how people react to it and it may fall under the category of we're trying, and here you're catching us trying, but not much is going to happen. the fact is if there's another terrorist attack in the the united states, many of these issues go right back to where we were back to the restart button. and be clear, under the article 2 powers of the presidency, this president can do a great deal. pretty much everything he does now and then some. the key issue is guantanamo. those prisoners, 166 prisoners including 50 hard-core, the president said we don't know what we're going to do with those people. they would be sitting without a legal framework if we pull back from this
. >>> joining me is rachel smoke from politico there. zachary carabel and democratic strategist david goodfriend. only gentleman here not wearing a tie for some reason. no tamron, no tie. >> i'm in new york city with you guys today and i'm going tieless in honor of it. i think it's the only way to go. >> pick it up with rachel. we'll start with you. this exchange between senator reid and speaker boehner, when's the inside baseball here? is this more about establishing who could very well get the blame if all of this continues to go south? >> that's right. happy new years, america. we appear poised to dive off the fiscal cliff starting with a round of finger pointing today. this is classic gridlocked washington. why america is fed up with the lawmakers and all about pointing fingers, gaining the upper hand here. and also, gaming this out because if we do dive off the cliff an we don't get a deal in the next couple of days, which looks increasingly like where we're headed then we come back in january and have to negotiate again and a political advantage for both sides if that's the case. >> her's
. caller: exactly. >> bill: i hadn't thought about that. yeah. rachel down in nashville, tennessee, hey rachel good morning. caller: bill we talked before about the 47%. can you please tell me why we don't just call their bluff? they are always talking about the job creators. all we have to do so, bi, is say, fine. you want all of this on your dividends, you crate a job, you get a tax break. >> bill: makes sense to me. it's the whole idea that people like, you know, donald trump and sheldon adelson and the koch brothers are the job creators right? it's total nonsense. all they do with that money, that extra tax cut they get is they squirrel it away buy another vacation house or another yacht or another corporate jet. it's not going into creating jobs or investing in america. >> why don't we call their bluff? >> bill: well, you know, we are trying to this morning, here, rachel. some others are, too. but here is with a i would say. i wish president obama would do what we are doing this morning and call out john boehner and just identify him as the villai
much, my friend. that's it for the ed show. ezra klein is filling in for rachel tonight. always good to see you, my friend. >> good to see you too, and happy friday. and thanks to you at home for sticking around for the next hour. rachel's got the night off, but we learned something huge today. we are going over the fiscal cliff. we are going either all the way over or going partly over, but we are definitely, definitely going over. that whole fiscal cliff thing, where congress and the white house can't reach a deal on taxes and spending before the end of the year and they maybe get us into a recession, it's definitely happening. that was the whole point of president obama's press conference this afternoon. >> i still want to get this done. it's the right thing to do for our families, for our businesses, and for our entire economy. but the hour for immediate action is here. it is now. >> allow me a quick update here. that press conference, it came after president obama met with john boehner and nancy pelosi and harry reid and mitch mcconnell, so all the key congressional leaders. and
. >>> good evening. i'm ezra klein. rachel maddow has the night off. >>> good evening. i'm ezra klein. >>> good evening. i'm ezra klein. >>> good evening. i'm ezra klein. rachel maddow has the night off. we begin tonight with an update on the breaking news in the if these republicans had run on it, they would have never been elected in the first place. billionaires like the koch brothers are doing political payback. they're putting pressure on lawmakers behind closed doors. we need to shed more light on this, just like voter suppression efforts across the country that backfired. one of their objectives is to completely dismantle the infrastructure on the progressive side. the progressives need to be aware of this. of course, that's the unions. it's their infrastructure. they are right wing groups who are just out there to fight right-to-work and get it passed. one of them is called the west michigan policy forum. and it's funded by some of michigan's biggest republican donors. its chairman is the president of amway. the west michigan policy forum was key to funding the defeat of prop
for psychologist mary sherlach and teacher's aide, rachel davino. also services for three children. also 7-year-old grace mcdonnell and olivia engel and dylan hockley. as the town mourns the loss of so many young lives, many residents are coping in their own way. that moment of silence, i thought, was very beautiful and very powerful and sometimes i wonder when people have been through a tragedy, is it helpful to folks who are mourning or is it just another moment that brings it all back? >> i mean, everyone celebrated that moment around the country, but we have been celebrating or having those moments of silence, celebrating is the wrong word. we've been through so many moments of silence in our churches, our synagogues. i've been to countless funerals this week of people who i knew well, people i grew up with. people, my children knew. and there is -- the moments of silence are -- they're deafening. i can't tell you how many we've had. at 9:30 today, there was a moment where we could all connect. all breathe deeply. and also realize it's only been a week. it's felt like a year, frankly. so fe
healthcare. something so geeky that i'm pushing the limits that even the "the rachel maddow show" staff of geeks will tolerate, the producers here get me to do it in two minutes or less. tonight's challenge comes in something i mentioned earlier. the medicare eligibility age. sexy topic, right? try to control yourself, rachel maddow's audience. despite the fact it's unpopular, republicans really want to make cuts in medicare and specifically they want to raise the eligibility age by two years, from 65 to 67. that's also super unpopular. but the white house is open to it. they are open to it in 2011 in the boehner/obama talks. they are open to it now. what's weird about this policy is it's always presented as the height of fiscal responsibility, even though it's kind of fiscally irresponsible, which brings us to the challenge. why raising the age does not save you very much money and is probably a bad policy idea in under two minutes. do we have the clock? let's do it. the argument for cutting 65 and 67 years old out of medicare in a deficit talk is simple. it saves money. the keizer family found
. witnesses say the gunman worked with a semiautomatic rifle. the rachel maddow show picks up after this. >>> good evening. i'm ezra klein. rachel maddow has the night off. we begin tonight with an update on the breaking news in the pacific northwest, the terrifying scene that unfolded earlier tonight at a shopping mall in portland, oregon. a gunman with what witnesses describe as a rifle opening fire on holiday shoppers. two people were killed. the shooter also killed, and one person has been seriously injured according to the sheriff's department. an eyewitness who had been browsing the watch counter inside macy's described the scene to our portland, oregon affiliate kgw tv. >> constant boom, boom, boom, boom,boom, boom, boom, boom. it wasn't just a couple of shots. whatever the shooter was shooting at, they continued to shoot. an employee of the store actually saw a masked gunman come in. and as fast as she got the call to security, the gunshots started. so i and others just hit -- you know, got behind the counter. and a couple of people stood there and i got them to duck down too. ki
that at all. that does it for us tonight. rachel will be back here monday. don't forget, you can check out my work at the "washington post" at wonkblog.com, or follow me o. twi twitter point come and facebook. >>> gay marriage. an american right? let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this. today the united states supreme court said it would take up the issue of same-sex marriage. this is an astounding moment in american history and in the march of rights that began in philadelphia in the last quarter of the 18th century and continues through this first quarter of the 21st. is it constitutional for a state to deny people of the same sex the right to marry under the law? well, let's consider the 14th amendment. nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protections of the laws. and here is justice kennedy, anthony kennedy, in his majority opinion in the lawrence case of 2003 which declared anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional. quot
, "les miserables," ewen mcgregor, "salmon fishing >> naomi watts, "the impossib impossible," rachel weisz, "the deep blue sea." >> i'm a little embarrassed, i'm still in my pajamas. early. all right, best performance by an actor in a miniseries or a motion picture made for television. kevin costner, "hatfields and mccoys," benedict cumberbatch, "sherlo "sherlock: masterpiece," woody haralson, "game change," toby jones, "the girl," clive owens, "hemingway and gelhorn." best television series drama, "breaking bad amc," boardwalk empire," hbo, "downtown abbey season two," pbs, "homeland," showtime, "the newsroom," hbo. best performance by an actress in a supporting role in a motion picture. amy adams, "the master," sally field, "lincoln," anne hathaway, "les miserables," helen hunt, "the sessions," nicole kidman, "the paper boy." best performance by an actress in a motion picture comedy or musical, emily blunt "salmon fishing in the yemen," judi dench "the best exotic marigold hotel," jennifer lawrence, "silver linings playbook," maggie smith, "quartet," meryl streep, "hope springs." b
thirty." best actress, jessica chastain, helen mirren, naomi watts, rachel wise. best actor drama -- daniel day lewis for "lincoln." richard gere, john hawks, jauquin phoenix and denzel washington for "flight." so those are the highlights. and for the sake of the commish, do want to point out, for best television drama, "breaking bad" "boardwalk empire" "doubting abby," "homeland" and "the newsroom." just wanted to add that in there. for a show i love that he hates. but we have that ongoing feud. >> i love that clap. how is that jack? >> it's a good show. >> that i hear is great. >> willis and the commish can have a viewing party. >>> great thing happening in new york city last night. they had the sandy benefit. you saw bon jovi, bruce springsteen, everybody collaborating for the victims. but something mick jagger said on stage is a little insensitive. here's what he said. and he's drawing only ire and rage from some people. he said this has to be the largest collection of old english musicians ever assembled in madison square garden. but if it rains in london, you've got to come
, connecticut shooting one week ago. a private service is scheduled for mary sherlach. and rachel davino, there will be her funeral. there are also memorial services for grace mcdonnell, dylan and olivia engel. another shooting victim has been held for nancy han za. she was laid to -- lanza. she was laid to rest 120 miles from newtown, connecticut. approximately 25 family members attended the ceremony. >>> 7:36. in michigan, dozens of schools canceled classes today because of that threat that today would be doom's day based on the mayan calendar. there were rumors and threats of a student revolt if classes opened. administrators say they took those threats seriously, especially after what happened in connecticut last friday. they say rumors of trouble became a distraction and it was easier to close schools. students' safety caused collapses to be canceled in new milford, not far from newtown, connecticut. >>> this morning police and federal agents raided a connecticut gun store connected to the shooting at sandy hook elementary school. they raided the store after learning that store has
president bill clinton. he's nominated for his book "back to work." my colleague and friend, rachel maddow was nominated for her book "drift." incredible. but i'm disappointed. there's some serious snubs this year. i mean, how did this fellow performer not make the list. ♪ >> that deserved something. and mitt romney's tough year just got tougher. look at this snub. ♪ o beautiful for spacious skies for amber waves of grain ♪ ♪ for purple mountains majesty, above the fruited plain ♪ >> and perhaps the biggest snub of all, not jusn
cycle. >> let me play what mary kay henry said to rachel last night. let's play it. >> we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement. make it crystal clear that snyder can't get away with this. >> bill, we heard again this threat in wisconsin after what we saw and what labor leaders describe as an attack on unions there. the governors that are set to be in jeopardy, rick snider and scott walker, john casic and rick scott. are the threats something that the labor leaders can pay off? >> there is not any evidence right now. they were energized this year and got the signatures to put this on the ballot in michigan proposal to enshrine collective bargaining and got over 600,000 signatures and it got clobbered by an almost 3-2 margin on november 6th. they can huff and puff right now, but they are playing defense is what it gets down to. >> we talked about the options in our first read. they can file legal actions charging the process and violated the states and opened meetings act and overturned it bypassing a voter initiated law. are those two long shot options the
." i'm ed shultz. good evening, i'm rachel maddow. >> thank you for staying with us. we're going to have the latest on the aftermath and the continuing news out of newtown connecticut tonight as well as some other important politics, news that is not related to what happened in newtown. the brand new senator elect is chris murphy. the mayor of newark, new jersey is going to be joining us in just a moment. as is the police chief from oak creek wisconsin where that mass shooting occurred this past august. that is all coming up this hour. but, in order to understand one important element of the response to newtown, in order to try to get a handle on the range of possible outcomes here, as we try to make decisions as a country as to whether we are going to change as a country because of this massacre and because of the national heartbreak it has caused, to try to get at that very big question, there is a very narrow discussion to be had about a piece of new technology. this is something called a 3d printer. anybody can become a small-scale manufacturer of anything. all you have to do
olivia rose engel, therapist, rachel davino, 7-year-old student, grace gay, and 6-year-old student, christopher dylan jack hockley. they were all remembered today. joining me now is connecticut's democratic senator-elect murphy. congressman murphy, you couldn't listen to wayne lapierre's speech today because you were busy in newtown? >> i was, when he made that statement i was at grace's funeral. and by the time i got to the second funeral of the day that i attended, little dylan hockley's funeral, people there had heard or read the statement, and the whispers through that hall of hundreds were frankly in horror. i can't speak for everybody in newtown. but i think there is a lot of shock and disgust right now in newtown, when they heard that the nra came to the table today and said that the solution for what happened to us in newtown was to have more guns on the streets. to have more guns in our schools. that we don't have enough assault weapons out there to adequately protect us. this was as revolting and as tone-deaf a statement as i have ever seen from any political entity in my
booker who was with them against gun violence. wants to close the loopholes. he appeared with rachel maddow last night. >> criminals should not be able to buy guns. and even at higher levels when you think about the reality if you're a suspected terrorist in america, you can go to the secondary gun market and buy a weapon and conduct the kind of terrorism we saw in mumbai which was done with automatic and semiautomatic weapons. >> the fabric of gun culture is woven into american's lives. how do we put a genie back in a bottle when it comes to modern-day wednesday that our forefathers could never have imagined? >> we cannot put the genie back in the bottle. we can tamper with rules. nobody in washington, not president obama, not senator feinstein is going to confiscate the guns throughout. anyone who is implying otherwise is kidding themselves. >> americans love to drive, they wouldn't have anything else but huge cars. didn't matter about safety, they said. you're not going to change the cigarette culture. it's not one piece of legislation. but the fact there are multiple fronts that
, anything to add? >> no, rachel. i'm happy to listen and smile. i believe the term is gloating. >> i appreciated her chair dance because i do do that. >> how do you get the awesome jobs? >> i'm there. i'm completely in. are you blushing? >> inside i'm about to faint. >> we got down to business. the business of duck hunting. you can see i'm in love with this already. i killed this pretty bad, this -- >> multiple gunshot wounds. >> i'm wearing duck calls that i got. now that i know the right end to blow out of, these will come in handy. can you do me a favor before we let you go and perform for us a squach call? >> yes. >> great. >> just go right after it. >> thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >> that was great. i'll pay for that in the building later, i'm sure. >> something was missing from the segment. it was the voice of s.e. cupp. she's here today. >> she is here? >> what you need is a twitter buddy. they let you know when to drink because that's important. i love to be your twitter buddy. you bring the wine and i'll bring the snark and turn this debate in to a rocking good time
, rachel smolkin. >> thank you very much. >>> thomas roberts is up next. good friday. >>> good friday. hi, everybody. the next hour, a last-ditch effort to avoid the fiscal cliff. the president has called all four congressional leaders to the white house no a high stakes meeting. is there really any hope? i'll speak with congressman sanderson. and then should teachers be armed in the classroom? it's a big debate. whop wants at least one teacher armed at every school in his state. >>> then remembers stormin' norman, the history general who died yesterday. we'll have barry mccaffery reflecting on one of the most celebrated battlefield generals of our time. tends to stay in mo. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebre
to student loans? are they out there? joining us is rachel cruise financial speaker and writer for the dave ramsey organization. good to have you this morning. >> good to -- thanks for having me. >> all righty. so these federal lending programs are designed to make college education more affordable. basically what's happening is creating a pile of debt. >> that's right. so many students are believing the lie that you can't be a student without a student loan. so they are just assuming student loans are are the only way to go to college. >> seems obvious what the down sides would be but let's put them up on the screen how are people winding up with so much debt? are there things they don't realize going into it. >> i think so. an 18-year-old doesn't con piewt that they may graduate with $27,000 in debt. that's just. >> or more. >> that's just the average. >> and more. the average is coming out to $27,000. i don't think an 18-year-old really realizes how much money that actually is. which brings us to point 2. i feel like if i talk to the 21-year-old version of them they always say i wish i h
ramsey rachel cruise. nice to see you this morning. >> good to see you too. >> so you have some tips that we can try to avoid breaking the bank because i think if you wait, you drag your feet, you kind of become rash and you end up spending too much. right? >> absolutely. yeah. the key here is to be intentional. so the best thing to do is to be on a budget this holiday season. so make a list of everyone that you are going to buy a gift for. and write a dollar amount next to their name and stick to that. so just be very very intentional. it's where your money is going. >> how do you stop mission creep though? because that happens in our family. we draw up the spreadsheet and say look we are doing one gift per family member. this is what we are doing this year. and suddenly it's two and it's three. how do you stop that from happening? >> yeah, it's a good question. you just have to be intentional again and stick to what the budget says you have to say no matter this is what we are doing. great thing to do is to use cash so you can actually cash out the amount of money that you plan to
november sales. the cheddar/bacon/onion sandwich. rachel joins us in the wake of those numbers. rachel, good morning to you. good to see you again. >> thank you for having me. >> does this mark a turn at least in the u.s.? >> well, we've been talking about the mean re version trade for 2013. i think you should keep in mind that the company does have exceptionally difficult compares coming up in december, and again in the first quarter. given the very warm weather we had last year. it is some positive momentum in the right direction. but it may be premature to call it a complete turn right now. >> yeah. how about the rest of the world, where it appears they are facing maybe stiffer headwinds than stateside? >> well, the great news for them, specifically in china, they actually posted better than expected results. after we saw out of yum, where they posted a negative 4%, i think that will give investors a poost about their trends in that market. >> rachel, what's your take on what contributed or what caused the turn that we saw in mcdonald's in the month of november? was it the focus on
. rachel will be back here monday. don't forget, you can check out my work at the "washington post" at wonkblog.com, or follow me on twitter, and on facebook, facebook.com/ezraklein. weekends with alex witt is up next. >>> same-sex marriage. the supreme court decides to tackle two big cases on it. we'll examine all the possible outcomes that could be landmark rulings. twenty days and counting. even if president obama and the gop reach a deal, could it all get done before the first of the year? >>> a royal hoax and a tragic death. the radio station behind a tragic call to the hospital where kate middleton stayed is behind a tragic suicide. >>> remarkable story of journalist's recent travels. how did iranian people act towards an american. >>> this is alex witt. the countdown is on until the nation falls over the fiscal cliff. some sharp new words from president obama this morning in his weekly address. >> if we're serious about reducing our deficit, while still investing in things like education and research that are important to growing our economy, and if we're serious about prote
in the world. that does it for us tonight. rachel will be back tomorrow with great hair. now it is time for the last word. have a great night. >> it's back! the debt ceiling. >> house speaker john boehner took to the house floor only a few hours ago. >> john boehner was on the floor. >> people know that the president and i met on sunday. >> and said his meeting was nice. >> it was a nice meeting. it was cordial. >> cordial. >> we have to cut spending. >> holding back when it comes to spending cuts. >> republicans have been ratcheting up their rhetoric. >> get the tax issue off the table. >> we don't have the leverage. >> you can't tax your way out of this baby. >> throw in the towel on this tax rates issue. >> they have the debt ceiling. >> keep your eye on the debt ceiling. >> the debt ceiling part of this deal. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> it's their leverage. >> the leverage is going to shift. >> and maybe their only leverage. >> and you want to have leverage. >> that's leverage. >> that's making it worse. >> investors are preparing to go off the cliff. >> this is almost a g
klein. rachel maddow has the night off. we begin tonight with an update on the breaking news in the pacific northwest, the terrifying scene that unfolded earlier tonight at a shopping mall in portland, oregon. a gunman with what witnesses describe as a rifle opening fire on holiday shoppers. two people were killed. the shooter also killed, and one person has been seriously injured according to the sheriff's department. an eyewitness who had been browsing the watch counter inside macy's described the scene to our portland, oregon affiliate kgw tv. >> constant boom, boom, boom, boom,boom, boom, boom, boom. it wasn't just a couple of shots. whatever the shooter was shooting at, they continued to shoot. an employee of the store actually saw a masked gunman come in. and as fast as she got the call to security, the gunshots started. so i and others just hit -- you know, got behind the counter. and a couple of people stood there and i got them to duck down too. kind of wait until the coast is clear enough. and then i got down and other people, we said we nee
. you addressed the issue of what happens next, i saw you on rachel's show friday. your theory are it's key to how the fiscal cliff plays out. explain. >> there's a significant difference of opinion in the political ramification of what happens if we go over and it comes down debt ceiling. if we go over the fiscal cliff they have all of the leverage because we'll go into the debt ceiling and it will be just like 2011 again. they'll say we're not going to raise the debt ceiling unless you cut entitlements, barack obama will say no and terrified of consequences of national default he'll say yes. so they'll get all of the entitlement cuts with no tax increases on the table. democrats disagree. they will not, under any circumstance, no matter what republicans do, negotiate over the debt ceiling again. they'll break the habit now. if we go to the debt ceiling they'll say we're not talking about this, if you want to have a deal on entitlements, that will have to be matched one to one with tax increases, again, with tax reform. if they do that say democrats get $600 billion in tax increases
-old catherine hubbard and 6-year-old benjamin andrew wheeler and ann marie, and rachel davino and 6-year-old jesse lewis. 6-year-old emily parker who loved teaching her little sisters to read and making cards to help people lift their spirits. hundreds paid their respects to the principal of sandy hook dawn hochsprung who reportedly died trying to stop the gunmen. we are hearing from some of the first responders. this from msnbc news. >> when we saw how many people were responding we got a sense that it was urgent. >> seeing the faces on other side of the scene tape and the emotion on those faces was difficult to see. >> a 25-year-old veteran might not have seen what was going on that day. tomorrow the nra will give its first news conference since the sandy hook tragedy and yesterday president obama made this personal plea at a powerful gun lobby group announcing his new task force to curb gun violence. >> the nra is an organization who has members that are mothers and fathers, and i would expect that they've been impacted by this, as well and hopefully they'll do some self-reflection. >
, and rachel grady will be joining us. steve satich, ohio congressman, steve latourette, and ambassador nick burns are our guests this morning. it's thursday, december 6th, and "starting point" begins right now. >>> welcome, everybody. our starting point this morning, some major developments to tell you about in egypt, after angry protests against political moves by the president, mohamed morsi, have turned deadly. tanks, armored personnel vehicles, all stationed outside the presidential analysis cairo. not only are they guarding the palace, they're also keeping apart supporters and opponents of morsi. hundreds of his islamist supporters already taking to the streets in cairo this morning. opponents are gathering not very far away. last night the two sides clashed right outside the palace. the violence killed at least five people. hundreds of other people were injured. opponents are demanding that morsi dial back on those sweeping powers that he has granted himself. cnn's reza sayah is live for us in cairo this morning. what's the latest? >> reporter: soledad, we're getting the first signs t
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